Israel retiring it's Tavors in favor of the M4

[Slater]

That's somewhat surprising. Wonder if the Tavor lost out on cost grounds?

https://www.israelhayom.com/2021/09/05/ ... vor-rifle/

[Suck My Glock]

Perhaps. And modularity and adaptability probably played a part.

[AZ_Five56]

I guess the Taliban really set a trend in the Middle East.

[Ballistic Therapy]

Since we armed the Taliban with M4's it only makes sense for the Israelis to adopt it.
When they have to start killing them , they will have plenty of spare parts and ammo.

[samnev]

The Tavor is one of the few 556 carbines that I never cared for. To me it's addition by subtraction.

[That Guy]

I spent a little time with the IDF in the mid-80’s and the comments of an Israeli platoon sergeant who was carrying a CAR-15 pretty much summed up how the average Israeli soldier felt about the M-16 platform. I thought the CAR-15 he had was a pretty cool weapon particularly in light of the fact his unit was engaged in urban combat in Lebanon. “How do you like the CAR-15?” I asked. He face immediately screwed up into a mask of contempt, “I DON’T like it because you have to clean it!” The fact was at the time the average Israeli soldier was VERY rough on their weapons and somewhat indifferent to maintaining them which was why they created the Galil. I once saw an IDF soldier toss his rucksack off the top of the M113 he was standing on to the ground, and then drop his Uzi (at least he’d removed the mag) after it with the intent of it landing on his ruck-he missed and it clunked in the dirt. People at the time believed the IDF were infantry superheroes and the consummate fighting machine so it was kind of a shock for me to discover one the main reasons the Israeli’s appeared so good was the fact most of the people they’d fought over the years were so bad.

My point is over the years as the IDF phased out the Galil and replaced it with the M-16 they progressively learned they needed to clean and do weapons PM on the M-16’s to make them run and once they did they grew to like the system (getting soldiers to clean their weapons and changing an entrenched culture of maintenance apathy is NOT as easy at you might think especially since most of the IDF consists of reservists). Plus if you’ve carried a Galil (especially an ARM) for any length of time you’ll quickly appreciate a weapon that weighs significantly less. I was kinda surprised the IDF adopted the Tavor which I personally like very much. The only downside to the basic IDF Tavor (not the M95) was that Gawd awful trigger pull but that can be modified with an aftermarket trigger pack.

[792mauser]

Kinda surprised in a way.
But kinda not. Tried one out and it didn't do anything for me that my 6920 didn't do and weighed more.

[samnev]

The Tavor is one of the few 556 carbines that I never cared for. To me it's addition by subtraction.

Yep that horrid trigger pull and the weight was what did it for me

[XNARC]

https://soldiersystems.net/2021/09/07/ ... se-forces/


Just read about this…