Pistol Braces- Straight from the ATF

[smithers599]

OK, here is some straight talk.
The BATF alleges that pistol braces are intended to circumvent the law that regulates short-barrelled rifles.
They are right.

There is nobody on this board who uses his pistol brace to brace his pistol to shoot one handed. (I tried it once; it was impractical.) Everybody who has a brace uses it as a shoulder stock. I am not revealing a big secret. Read all the posts on this board on the subject of pistol braces, and they all say about the same thing. "Why should I pay the $200 and get fingerprinted and photographed when I can just pretend I am getting a pistol brace to shoot one-handed, and then use it as a stock? (Nudge nudge wink wink.)" Look on YouTube for people demonstrating their pistol braces and they are all shooting two-handed from the shoulder. In conversations among ourselves at the range, we call those things "stocks" but then correct our selves by saying "braces" while making air quotes.

The BATF issued a ruling to a disabled person who wanted to shoot an AR15 one-handed, and their attempt to be nice guys and accommodate the handicapped bit them in the ass. Good. Nobody I would rather see so bitten. The rest of us jumped on the loophole that they had created.

The real issue, IMO, is that the 1934 rule regulating short-barreled rifles (and shotguns) is foolish (and has been for 86 years. It is time to repeal it. The original premise was that bootlegger gangsters cut down their rifles and shotguns to be able to conceal them under their overcoats. They probably did, but the law did not stop them from doing that, and when men's fashions changed (and in summer), they were able to commit just as many gangland murders with handguns. (Handguns were originally included in the regulation along with short-barreled rifles and shotguns. It was a miracle that our ancestors got handguns out of there, or there would never have been Jeff Cooper and IPSC and concealed weapons permits.) What stopped gangland shootings was not firearms regulation, but repeal of Prohibition. The War on Drugs revived gang shootings, so here we go again.

Back to today: has there been a measurable increase in shootings that can be attributed to short-barreled rifles with pistol braces being used as shoulder stocks? There has been a marked increase on shooting crimes recently, but (A) those are most likely attributable to "defunding police" and rioting whenever a black criminal is shot by a police officer (of any race); (B) it's doubtful that guns with pistol braces are being used in a significant number of those shootings; and (C) even if they are, there is no reason to believe those crimes would not be committed with other guns, short or long.

Now, with the liberals in control of the country, is there any chance that the regulation will be repealed? No. So, our only hope is to circumvent the law by pretending that those things are braces and not stocks. OK, I'm good with that, if that's what it takes. But let's at least be honest with each other.

[YNOTAZ]

The big buzz right now is the ATF has rescinded their proposed rule change. I've been watching and it appears they might have put their push on hold but nothing more.

They have only filed their original document of "notice" of proposed rule changes with no rescission and they have not ended the public comment period which will expire January 4, 2021.

There are over 280 pages containing more than 7,000 public comments. A quick flip through indicates the vast majority, if not all, are opposed to this rule change.

If you're interested in the actual publication and the comments:

https://www.regulations.gov/docketBrows ... -2020-0001

[YNOTAZ]

This was probably generated from calls, letters and emails.

[Suck My Glock]

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/lets- ... e-so-fast/

[Rock Hardson]

OK, here is some straight talk.
The BATF alleges that pistol braces are intended to circumvent the law that regulates short-barrelled rifles.
They are right.

There is nobody on this board who uses his pistol brace to brace his pistol to shoot one handed. (I tried it once; it was impractical.) Everybody who has a brace uses it as a shoulder stock. I am not revealing a big secret. Read all the posts on this board on the subject of pistol braces, and they all say about the same thing. "Why should I pay the $200 and get fingerprinted and photographed when I can just pretend I am getting a pistol brace to shoot one-handed, and then use it as a stock? (Nudge nudge wink wink.)" Look on YouTube for people demonstrating their pistol braces and they are all shooting two-handed from the shoulder. In conversations among ourselves at the range, we call those things "stocks" but then correct our selves by saying "braces" while making air quotes.

The BATF issued a ruling to a disabled person who wanted to shoot an AR15 one-handed, and their attempt to be nice guys and accommodate the handicapped bit them in the ass. Good. Nobody I would rather see so bitten. The rest of us jumped on the loophole that they had created.

The real issue, IMO, is that the 1934 rule regulating short-barreled rifles (and shotguns) is foolish (and has been for 86 years. It is time to repeal it. The original premise was that bootlegger gangsters cut down their rifles and shotguns to be able to conceal them under their overcoats. They probably did, but the law did not stop them from doing that, and when men's fashions changed (and in summer), they were able to commit just as many gangland murders with handguns. (Handguns were originally included in the regulation along with short-barreled rifles and shotguns. It was a miracle that our ancestors got handguns out of there, or there would never have been Jeff Cooper and IPSC and concealed weapons permits.) What stopped gangland shootings was not firearms regulation, but repeal of Prohibition. The War on Drugs revived gang shootings, so here we go again.

Back to today: has there been a measurable increase in shootings that can be attributed to short-barreled rifles with pistol braces being used as shoulder stocks? There has been a marked increase on shooting crimes recently, but (A) those are most likely attributable to "defunding police" and rioting whenever a black criminal is shot by a police officer (of any race); (B) it's doubtful that guns with pistol braces are being used in a significant number of those shootings; and (C) even if they are, there is no reason to believe those crimes would not be committed with other guns, short or long.

Now, with the liberals in control of the country, is there any chance that the regulation will be repealed? No. So, our only hope is to circumvent the law by pretending that those things are braces and not stocks. OK, I'm good with that, if that's what it takes. But let's at least be honest with each other.

The first rule of "Fight Club" is you don't talk about "Fight Club". Lest, they use it against us....

Not all thoughts need to be put into text or verbalized. That is what happened last time when the ATF kept getting calls and letters from Bubbas all over the country asking if it was ok to shoulder the braces.

The assault will come again. And, will keep on coming until they get it right legally.

[YNOTAZ]

I'm thinking this is put on hold until Post Pedo Joe, Then full steam ahead.

[knockonit]

he first rule of "Fight Club" is you don't talk about "Fight Club". Lest, they use it against us....

Not all thoughts need to be put into text or verbalized. That is what happened last time when the ATF kept getting calls and letters from Bubbas all over the country asking if it was ok to shoulder the braces.

The assault will come again. And, will keep on coming until they get it right legally.

and the most common sense quote of all ABOVE :
its only a matter of time till they use all our rhetoric against us, we are in fact sometimes our own worst enemy.
IMO, much like the a..holes that demand a BOS, it seems to come up more and more especially with the neophytes showing up on sites, i suspect private sales is in their sites, to deal with, and it will be one of the many things negotiated away to avoid the big ''steal''
again, just my opinion and hopefully that fruit does not show up till i'm taking the dirt nap.

may the holidays be as intended if you subscribe, if not, well then "bah humbug"
Rj

[YNOTAZ]

What fight club?

[action magic]

oh. ArfCom...

[YNOTAZ]

he first rule of "Fight Club" is you don't talk about "Fight Club". Lest, they use it against us....

Not all thoughts need to be put into text or verbalized......................
Rj

On another local site, several years ago:

A guy who has a YouTube channel, published a video of himself with a short-barreled weapon, a pistol brace, and a high power, short eye, adjustable power scope, and shooting it shouldered, which is the only way the scope could work.

Back then I commented "poking the bear", was not so smart.

Sometimes we, or at least the slowest of the heard are our own wort enemies, and yep, they will be back.