One of the many reasons I only carry concealed

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Re: One of the many reasons I only carry concealed

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hrob wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 5:37 pm Holy cow! Touched a nerve did I? I've been berated by angry women who went on less than you.

Although you are correct in the assertion that I am sensitive to foul language on a public discussion board - behavior that makes us no better than foul leftists and contributes to the decline of Western civilization - it is hard for me to make the leap that an adherence to common decency would disqualify me from protecting myself and my family by carrying a firearm.

If you truly believe that an aversion to foul language diminishes my capacity for carrying a firearm, then you should take a good hard look at your own propensity for escalation - a character trait that, unlike the expectation that people conduct themselves with propriety on a public forum, should make one question one's own suitability to be armed in public. I haven't once used terms like " dumb", " idjits", "weird" or "stupid". But you have. I don't use capital letters to try and lend importance to a statement. But you do. Doesn't a great deal of your "professionally delivered firearms training" focus on the concept of de-escalation?

You are correct that I moved here from a blue state. (From one to another it would appear!) Not that it makes any difference; it is, after all, a free country. I retired, sold my house, made a little profit and used it to make a life in the (currently) free state of Arizona. For this, I make no apologies. I now enjoy the freedom of open and concealed carry without the fear of being jailed like a common criminal. And everyone - including you Mr.That Guy - everyone who complains about people like me would have done the same thing.

I humbly admit that you are also correct that I prance around with the latest "tacticool" gear slapping my hip. I parade about town resplendent with a G19 purchased during the Clinton administration.

I'm shameless.


And now I cede the final word to you, sir. Something I am sure you are well accustomed to. (Caps incoming!)

(Open) carry on.
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Re: One of the many reasons I only carry concealed

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Crippledtrigger wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 9:53 pm Any one making book on which former banned member that guy is? One of ranger 1s troll aliases? Someone else? Someone new? I'll put a few bucks in.

AZ used to be open carry only. That's all we did. Yes I've seen the videos of Clyde's snatching weapons in training and making points of a couple holster design weaknesses on the old site. Good information.

Weapons retention isn't that difficult and more about situational awareness,equipment choice and simple tactics than folks are making it out to be in attempt to pump up their tactical qualifications. You absolutely have to prepare and be aware of your surroundings but don't act like you need to be a super special operator to OC.

Simple weapon coverage and positional awareness is the most important thing as is proper holster choice as Clyde's instruction so impactfully has shown. Like anything else carry related it can't be an afterthought or tacticool related or you could be sorry.

Snatch attempts almost always start with the guy carrying having his head up his ass or he is forced into a situation like escorting prisoners or entering groups of people he otherwise wouldn't. The only snatch attemp I encouterd was at Maricopa medical center when a prisoner escorted by a phoenix police officer who didn't want to goto jail broke away an attempted to take my weapon. Situational awareness, knowing who is around and whats going on, Simple retention technique retained my weapon and resulted in a broken nose for the idiot trying to take it. Also an embarrassing moment fir a police officer flirting with a nurse instead of watching his prisoner.

The bottom line is this isn't a seal team six type of skill requirement. Like anything else when you carry, you can't have your head up your ars or you leave yourself and safety upto chance. Don't use cheap holsters. Learn a couple simple tactics and don't go around with your head up your ass.

You carry to prepare for rare possibilities, learn mitigation tactics and live your life. You're a free American! Carrying a weapon requiers informed commitment. Fail to do so at your own peril.

The bottom line is snatch attempts happen probably less often then actually needing your weapon. You shouldn't ignore the possibility nor should you not OC because of it.
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Re: One of the many reasons I only carry concealed

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Crippledtrigger wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 9:53 pm Any one making book on which former banned member that guy is? One of ranger 1s troll aliases? Someone else? Someone new? I'll put a few bucks in.

AZ used to be open carry only. That's all we did. Yes I've seen the videos of Clyde's snatching weapons in training and making points of a couple holster design weaknesses on the old site. Good information.

Weapons retention isn't that difficult and more about situational awareness,equipment choice and simple tactics than folks are making it out to be in attempt to pump up their tactical qualifications. You absolutely have to prepare and be aware of your surroundings but don't act like you need to be a super special operator to OC.

Simple weapon coverage and positional awareness is the most important thing as is proper holster choice as Clyde's instruction so impactfully has shown. Like anything else carry related it can't be an afterthought or tacticool related or you could be sorry.

Snatch attempts almost always start with the guy carrying having his head up his ass or he is forced into a situation like escorting prisoners or entering groups of people he otherwise wouldn't. The only snatch attemp I encouterd was at Maricopa medical center when a prisoner escorted by a phoenix police officer who didn't want to goto jail broke away an attempted to take my weapon. Situational awareness, knowing who is around and whats going on, Simple retention technique retained my weapon and resulted in a broken nose for the idiot trying to take it. Also an embarrassing moment fir a police officer flirting with a nurse instead of watching his prisoner.

The bottom line is this isn't a seal team six type of skill requirement. Like anything else when you carry, you can't have your head up your ars or you leave yourself and safety upto chance. Don't use cheap holsters. Learn a couple simple tactics and don't go around with your head up your ass.

You carry to prepare for rare possibilities, learn mitigation tactics and live your life. You're a free American! Carrying a weapon requiers informed commitment. Fail to do so at your own peril.

The bottom line is snatch attempts happen probably less often then actually needing your weapon. You shouldn't ignore the possibility nor should you not OC because of it.
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Re: One of the many reasons I only carry concealed

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So " That Guy" has devolved from name calling to childish insults. Why am I not surprised?
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Re: One of the many reasons I only carry concealed

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That Guy wrote: December 4th, 2022, 11:23 am
Crippledtrigger wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 9:53 pm Any one making book on which former banned member that guy is? One of ranger 1s troll aliases? Someone else? Someone new? I'll put a few bucks in.

AZ used to be open carry only. That's all we did. Yes I've seen the videos of Clyde's snatching weapons in training and making points of a couple holster design weaknesses on the old site. Good information.

Weapons retention isn't that difficult and more about situational awareness,equipment choice and simple tactics than folks are making it out to be in attempt to pump up their tactical qualifications. You absolutely have to prepare and be aware of your surroundings but don't act like you need to be a super special operator to OC.

Simple weapon coverage and positional awareness is the most important thing as is proper holster choice as Clyde's instruction so impactfully has shown. Like anything else carry related it can't be an afterthought or tacticool related or you could be sorry.

Snatch attempts almost always start with the guy carrying having his head up his ass or he is forced into a situation like escorting prisoners or entering groups of people he otherwise wouldn't. The only snatch attemp I encouterd was at Maricopa medical center when a prisoner escorted by a phoenix police officer who didn't want to goto jail broke away an attempted to take my weapon. Situational awareness, knowing who is around and whats going on, Simple retention technique retained my weapon and resulted in a broken nose for the idiot trying to take it. Also an embarrassing moment fir a police officer flirting with a nurse instead of watching his prisoner.

The bottom line is this isn't a seal team six type of skill requirement. Like anything else when you carry, you can't have your head up your ars or you leave yourself and safety upto chance. Don't use cheap holsters. Learn a couple simple tactics and don't go around with your head up your ass.

You carry to prepare for rare possibilities, learn mitigation tactics and live your life. You're a free American! Carrying a weapon requiers informed commitment. Fail to do so at your own peril.

The bottom line is snatch attempts happen probably less often then actually needing your weapon. You shouldn't ignore the possibility nor should you not OC because of it.
“Any one making book on which former banned member that guy is? One of ranger 1s troll aliases? Someone else? Someone new? I'll put a few bucks in.”

I’ve left more trace of who and what I am on this site than the Japanese did at Pearl Harbor. Ain’t my fault if you can’t track a freight train.
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Re: One of the many reasons I only carry concealed

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No jokes about "that guy" being the arrogant village idiot. That would be rude and he wouldn't get it anyways.
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Re: One of the many reasons I only carry concealed

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Re: One of the many reasons I only carry concealed

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This really is not a complicated issue - and it shouldn't be a contentious one.

It's really simple... If you are going to carry a weapon - do so responsibly. There are LOTS of components to what this means - many of them common to both open and concealed carry (common safety routines, training, competence with the particular weapon, etc.).

HOW you choose to carry that weapon will add a layer to what "responsible" means.
Open carrying on your hip in a simple leather holster with a strap:
- Not irresponsible to do this when in you are walking around in the woods. When you encounter other people - remember that you are open carrying and manage yourself accordingly.
- Not particularly responsible when carrying all day long in crowded public places.

If you are going to open carry you need to be particularly vigilant regarding those around you. Is the same true for concealed carry? Yep - but not to the same degree. The odds of being targeted for your gun when carrying well concealed are really really small. The odds of being targeted for your gun when carrying open - well - they are higher. Crazy / corrupt / evil people exist - we know this - and it is part of why the 2A is so important. We carry, at least in part, as protection against these folks. When you decide to walk around the lion enclosure at the zoo with slabs of raw meat hanging off of you - you shouldn't be surprised when they try to take it from you. Throw a Glock in an Uncle Mikes holster on your sweat-pants, drink a couple of 40's and stagger around outside of the corner store at 16th and Mojave at 2:00 AM - well - you can guess what might happen.

Personally, I appreciate folks who open carry daily - and I believe that there is real value in doing this in terms of socialization of 2A rights in society. That said - if you are open carrying for the purpose of normalization of guns - you know that the world is watching. Make sure that you are the best possible example of the gun carrying community - by doing so in the most responsible way. Get a good retention holster, and be vigilant.

My 2 cents...
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Re: One of the many reasons I only carry concealed

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Great post. Well written and well though out.
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