The statute is “reasonable and necessary”. Regardless of distance, if a reasonable person thought it was necessary to use deadly physical force, it should be justifiable. The prosecutional standard for determining reasonable and necessary is Ability, Opportunity and Jeopardy (AOJ). Those three elements must be in play. A person with an edged weapon represents ability. Their proximity represents opportunity as well as can represent jeopardy. In AZ there is a presumption of self-defense. The prosecutor has to prove it wasn’t self defense.
Besides the Turley drill was not about shooting someone at 21 feet. It was about not having your weapon holstered, and not being prepared to react to someone with a knife within that distance. It had nothing to do with shooting them. It was just an acknowledgement that if they decided to attack you it would be very hard to get your weapon out and stop the threat based on reaction times and their ability to close distance. The whole point of that drill has always been that in those types of distances, your weapon should already be drawn. The decision to actually shoot isn’t just about distance alone. The other parts of that drill are about learning to put obstacles (like your vehicle) between you to increase your response time and lessen their ability to attack you and potentially never have to shoot at all.
The statute is “reasonable and necessary”. Regardless of distance, if a reasonable person thought it was necessary to use deadly physical force, it should be justifiable. The prosecutional standard for determining reasonable and necessary is Ability, Opportunity and Jeopardy (AOJ). Those three elements must be in play. A person with an edged weapon represents ability. Their proximity represents opportunity as well as can represent jeopardy. In AZ there is a presumption of self-defense. The prosecutor has to prove it wasn’t self defense.
Besides the Turley drill was not about shooting someone at 21 feet. It was about not having your weapon holstered, and not being prepared to react to someone with a knife within that distance. It had nothing to do with shooting them. It was just an acknowledgement that if they decided to attack you it would be very hard to get your weapon out and stop the threat based on reaction times and their ability to close distance. The whole point of that drill has always been that in those types of distances, your weapon should already be drawn. The decision to actually shoot isn’t just about distance alone. The other parts of that drill are about learning to put obstacles (like your vehicle) between you to increase your response time and lessen their ability to attack you and potentially never have to shoot at all.
Before going off half cocked and misspelling things, this is where the myth and legend originated.
And this is what has progressed from that.
Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day
Clyde
Re: Videos of engagements
Posted: March 28th, 2024, 3:35 pm
by Suck My Glock
Attack of the pistol-packin Pakis
Re: Videos of engagements
Posted: March 28th, 2024, 3:54 pm
by Suck My Glock
Having big giant brass ones in your nut sack don't make you bulletproof.
Re: Videos of engagements
Posted: March 28th, 2024, 6:13 pm
by Suck My Glock
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Re: Videos of engagements
Posted: April 1st, 2024, 10:47 am
by Dauph
Something different
Re: Videos of engagements
Posted: April 1st, 2024, 1:00 pm
by Ballistic Therapy
Those Albuquerque cops need to learn how to head and heel.
Re: Videos of engagements
Posted: April 1st, 2024, 3:04 pm
by YNOTAZ
You can always trust an attorney:
Re: Videos of engagements
Posted: April 1st, 2024, 3:36 pm
by smithers599
^^^
Well, at least he didn't try to steal a lectern. That's a SERIOUS crime!
Re: Videos of engagements
Posted: April 2nd, 2024, 7:21 pm
by smithers599
This is horrible. From what I can tell, psycho murders ex, kidnaps 15-year-old daughter. Cops stop and surround getaway truck. Girl gets and runs toward cops. Cops shoot her to pieces and kill her. One of those contagion fire things, where everybody does mag dumps. Just awful.
Re: Videos of engagements
Posted: April 3rd, 2024, 4:40 am
by kenpoprofessor
smithers599 wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2024, 7:21 pm
This is horrible. From what I can tell, psycho murders ex, kidnaps 15-year-old daughter. Cops stop and surround getaway truck. Girl gets and runs toward cops. Cops shoot her to pieces and kill her. One of those contagion fire things, where everybody does mag dumps. Just awful.
Another incident that the public will pay for, and the cops will walk away without any consequence, qualified immunity. Back the blue, back the blue, yea, OK.
Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day
Clyde
Re: Videos of engagements
Posted: April 5th, 2024, 8:25 pm
by Suck My Glock
Don't get caught napping when the sicarios show up to wax your entire club.
Re: Videos of engagements
Posted: April 7th, 2024, 2:02 pm
by QuangTri
kenpoprofessor wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 4:40 am
Another incident that the public will pay for, and the cops will walk away without any consequence, qualified immunity. Back the blue, back the blue, yea, OK.
The cops went home safe that night, I keep hearing that is what is most important.
