Videos of engagements

[Dauph]

21 foot rule

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/VnhSMJr8luk

[kenpoprofessor]

21 foot rule

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/VnhSMJr8luk

If you're not training that scenario, then you'll be stabbed. In fact, Carlos has a video on it.



However, he's correct, cops have that "qualified immunity" we don't, so they can get away with it.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

[Joe_Blacke]

21 foot rule

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/VnhSMJr8luk

That video is BS.

The statute is “reasonable and necessary”. Regardless of distance, if a reasonable person thought it was necessary to use deadly physical force, it should be justifiable. The prosecutional standard for determining reasonable and necessary is Ability, Opportunity and Jeopardy (AOJ). Those three elements must be in play. A person with an edged weapon represents ability. Their proximity represents opportunity as well as can represent jeopardy. In AZ there is a presumption of self-defense. The prosecutor has to prove it wasn’t self defense.

Besides the Turley drill was not about shooting someone at 21 feet. It was about not having your weapon holstered, and not being prepared to react to someone with a knife within that distance. It had nothing to do with shooting them. It was just an acknowledgement that if they decided to attack you it would be very hard to get your weapon out and stop the threat based on reaction times and their ability to close distance. The whole point of that drill has always been that in those types of distances, your weapon should already be drawn. The decision to actually shoot isn’t just about distance alone. The other parts of that drill are about learning to put obstacles (like your vehicle) between you to increase your response time and lessen their ability to attack you and potentially never have to shoot at all.

[kenpoprofessor]

That video is BS.

The statute is “reasonable and necessary”. Regardless of distance, if a reasonable person thought it was necessary to use deadly physical force, it should be justifiable. The prosecutional standard for determining reasonable and necessary is Ability, Opportunity and Jeopardy (AOJ). Those three elements must be in play. A person with an edged weapon represents ability. Their proximity represents opportunity as well as can represent jeopardy. In AZ there is a presumption of self-defense. The prosecutor has to prove it wasn’t self defense.

Besides the Turley drill was not about shooting someone at 21 feet. It was about not having your weapon holstered, and not being prepared to react to someone with a knife within that distance. It had nothing to do with shooting them. It was just an acknowledgement that if they decided to attack you it would be very hard to get your weapon out and stop the threat based on reaction times and their ability to close distance. The whole point of that drill has always been that in those types of distances, your weapon should already be drawn. The decision to actually shoot isn’t just about distance alone. The other parts of that drill are about learning to put obstacles (like your vehicle) between you to increase your response time and lessen their ability to attack you and potentially never have to shoot at all.

Before going off half cocked and misspelling things, this is where the myth and legend originated.




And this is what has progressed from that.



Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

[Suck My Glock]

Attack of the pistol-packin Pakis

[Suck My Glock]

Having big giant brass ones in your nut sack don't make you bulletproof.

[Suck My Glock]

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[Dauph]

Something different

[Ballistic Therapy]

Those Albuquerque cops need to learn how to head and heel.

[YNOTAZ]

You can always trust an attorney:

[smithers599]

^^^
Well, at least he didn't try to steal a lectern. That's a SERIOUS crime!

[smithers599]

This is horrible. From what I can tell, psycho murders ex, kidnaps 15-year-old daughter. Cops stop and surround getaway truck. Girl gets and runs toward cops. Cops shoot her to pieces and kill her. One of those contagion fire things, where everybody does mag dumps. Just awful.

[kenpoprofessor]

This is horrible. From what I can tell, psycho murders ex, kidnaps 15-year-old daughter. Cops stop and surround getaway truck. Girl gets and runs toward cops. Cops shoot her to pieces and kill her. One of those contagion fire things, where everybody does mag dumps. Just awful.

Another incident that the public will pay for, and the cops will walk away without any consequence, qualified immunity. Back the blue, back the blue, yea, OK.


Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

[Suck My Glock]

Don't get caught napping when the sicarios show up to wax your entire club.

[QuangTri]

Another incident that the public will pay for, and the cops will walk away without any consequence, qualified immunity. Back the blue, back the blue, yea, OK.

The cops went home safe that night, I keep hearing that is what is most important.

The girl, not so much.