Question for reloaders
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Question for reloaders
Having a "friendly discussion" with a friend.
For those of you in the know... Is one of these a reload?
For those of you in the know... Is one of these a reload?
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Re: Question for reloaders
Can't tell from that picture. How about a picture of the bottom of the cases?
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Re: Question for reloaders
It appears the one on the left is. ...and possibly the right one also.
They both have the telltale sizing die reveal towards the base of the case.
They both have the telltale sizing die reveal towards the base of the case.
Re: Question for reloaders
That they do, but they don't have a telltale sizing die mark on the case necks, which sort of indicates they aren't. As has been said, let's see the bottom of the cases. That should tell the story.
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Re: Question for reloaders
Bofh em look like reloads?
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Re: Question for reloaders
Maybe maybe not. The long single scratches could be from a Dirty Die, or a Dirty chamber. There are some stretch marks on the right one (Which could indicate they were shot once and Re-sized ? But no real proof.
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Re: Question for reloaders
no it could be discoloration from forming brass, one on right has crimped primer, so................
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Re: Question for reloaders
Discoloration is from annealing process and the crimp on the right case indicates it to be a factory load.
Left case was crimped but may have been swaged.
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The crimp, possible factory. I have bought 10's of thousands of cases that were primed and have crimped primer pockets (still do), but having no powder or bullet. Really difficult to tell either way.
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Re: Question for reloaders
As was said above, the discoloration is from the annealing process. It's more often the opposite - lack of discoloration is a result of tumbling after brass has been annealed, which would happen during the reloading process.
It used to be cheaper/easier to buy pull down 5.56 brass than it was to buy 1x and process it. Primers were still crimped and tar was still on the neck, so once loaded they were indistinguishable from factory LC when loaded with the right bullets.
It used to be cheaper/easier to buy pull down 5.56 brass than it was to buy 1x and process it. Primers were still crimped and tar was still on the neck, so once loaded they were indistinguishable from factory LC when loaded with the right bullets.
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Re: Question for reloaders
Military production will usually show the annealing discoloration because a) it shows that it was done and b) it costs $ to polish it off.
Often OEM commercially sold ammo (even mil production cases like shown) will be polished shiny, removing the discoloration from annealing. For some reason consumers think shiny=better.
The FC head-stamp (+ no NATO cross) indicates it is a federal commercial run, the dot impressions indicate cases were probably loaded on mil equipment at LC plant (the dots indicate which machine). Commercial ammo don't usually have those dots.
IMO, It's hard to tell without a magnifier but the absence of other marks, nicks, indents, scrapes etc on the head/rim (which would occur upon firing) indicate the FC is also a factory round.
Often OEM commercially sold ammo (even mil production cases like shown) will be polished shiny, removing the discoloration from annealing. For some reason consumers think shiny=better.
The FC head-stamp (+ no NATO cross) indicates it is a federal commercial run, the dot impressions indicate cases were probably loaded on mil equipment at LC plant (the dots indicate which machine). Commercial ammo don't usually have those dots.
IMO, It's hard to tell without a magnifier but the absence of other marks, nicks, indents, scrapes etc on the head/rim (which would occur upon firing) indicate the FC is also a factory round.
Re: Question for reloaders
I'll now say I believe they're both factory.
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Re: Question for reloaders
I just learned something new. Thanks!
Since the one on the left has (or at least had) a crimped primer, but no longer has the annealing discoloration, I'd guess that one is a reload. Also, it appears to have a pretty sizable ejection ding in the shoulder. Total speculation, but that's my guess.