Interesting new ammo technology

Discuss ammunition and reloading topics here.
Post Reply
User avatar
pneuby
ArizonaShooting.org Member
ArizonaShooting.org Member
Posts: 1386
Joined: July 28th, 2018, 10:01 am
Reputation: 9
Location: Phoenix

Interesting new ammo technology

#1

Post by pneuby »



User avatar
Bottom Gun
ArizonaShooting.org Member
ArizonaShooting.org Member
Posts: 210
Joined: June 6th, 2019, 7:08 am
Reputation: 4
Location: Elgin

Re: Interesting new ammo technology

#2

Post by Bottom Gun »

I don't think this will go anywhere. What is the real benefit?
User avatar
QuangTri
ArizonaShooting.org Member
ArizonaShooting.org Member
Posts: 511
Joined: August 1st, 2020, 6:42 pm
Reputation: 1
Location: KailuaKona/Oro Valley

Re: Interesting new ammo technology

#3

Post by QuangTri »

Is this the tech the new military 277 Fury ammo uses?
QuietM4
ArizonaShooting.org Member
ArizonaShooting.org Member
Posts: 2404
Joined: May 15th, 2018, 8:36 pm
Reputation: 12
Location: Tempe

Re: Interesting new ammo technology

#4

Post by QuietM4 »

What problem does this solve?
User avatar
smithers599
ArizonaShooting.org Member
ArizonaShooting.org Member
Posts: 4898
Joined: June 29th, 2018, 6:58 am
Reputation: 24
Location: East side

Re: Interesting new ammo technology

#5

Post by smithers599 »

I'd be very interested in any technology that makes ammunition cheaper.
QuietM4
ArizonaShooting.org Member
ArizonaShooting.org Member
Posts: 2404
Joined: May 15th, 2018, 8:36 pm
Reputation: 12
Location: Tempe

Re: Interesting new ammo technology

#6

Post by QuietM4 »

smithers599 wrote: November 28th, 2024, 5:51 pm I'd be very interested in any technology that makes ammunition cheaper.
Spoiler alert...it makes it more expensive.
User avatar
Bottom Gun
ArizonaShooting.org Member
ArizonaShooting.org Member
Posts: 210
Joined: June 6th, 2019, 7:08 am
Reputation: 4
Location: Elgin

Re: Interesting new ammo technology

#7

Post by Bottom Gun »

Not being able to reload the rifle cases is a real negative.
User avatar
Desert Rat
ArizonaShooting.org Member
ArizonaShooting.org Member
Posts: 251
Joined: May 14th, 2018, 10:07 pm
Reputation: 4
Location: 100 miles from water, 3 feet from hell.

Re: Interesting new ammo technology

#8

Post by Desert Rat »

Bottom Gun wrote: November 28th, 2024, 8:41 pm Not being able to reload the rifle cases is a real negative.
Looking at the bullet points it claims it is reloadable. Nevermind, read the FAQ's
Not sure if you need special equipment to do it. Yes, you do need special equipment.

Not sure it's worth it.
User avatar
Suck My Glock
ArizonaShooting.org Member
ArizonaShooting.org Member
Posts: 10517
Joined: May 25th, 2018, 3:01 pm
Reputation: 8
Location: Peoria

Re: Interesting new ammo technology

#9

Post by Suck My Glock »

Yeah, you need to buy their proprietary dies in order to resize the cases because the stainless steel stretches and deforms differently than brass. Crimping process is different, too.

What is left unsaid is whether these cases have any greater or lesser life when reused than brass does. If they somehow last longer and survive being reloaded more times than brass,...then I could see that might be worth it.

Maybe.

But I already see one potential problem, which is sealing out against invading moisture or water. Since the material reacts differently when mating up against other surfaces and materials than brass does, there is likely an even lesser degree of "natural" seal in primer pockets and at the neck crimp against invading moisture. It would be absolutely imperative to use a liquid sealant compound.

I also wonder how well primers resist blowing out with the stainless steel vs. brass. Maybe it isn't an issue at all,...or maybe it is? There's just a lot of unknown here,...or at least that's not being shared if it is known.
User avatar
338lapua
ArizonaShooting.org Member
ArizonaShooting.org Member
Posts: 1469
Joined: May 18th, 2018, 8:57 am
Reputation: 6

Re: Interesting new ammo technology

#10

Post by 338lapua »

QuietM4 wrote: November 28th, 2024, 3:59 pm What problem does this solve?
One that doesn't exist.
User avatar
Abbey
ArizonaShooting.org Member
ArizonaShooting.org Member
Posts: 362
Joined: October 29th, 2018, 7:59 pm
Reputation: 5
Location: Phoenix

Re: Interesting new ammo technology

#11

Post by Abbey »

I don't think this is "new" - Howie at UNAmmo picked up a surplus lot of Chesapeake "NiPac" ammo like this several years back. I still have a couple cases of 9mm. I only bought it because it was cheap (forget what I paid but Howie was selling for cheaper than standard S&B/Magtech range ammo at the time) and it's hot & runs good in subguns. It is noticeably lighter when carrying a full mag, and supposedly stronger (which doesn't matter much for standard pressure).

On the downside, the lighter cases get thrown a lot further, and they're not reloadable without a special die. I never looked into finding that die & testing & just treat the empties like other steel case ammo I pick up at the range.
User avatar
338lapua
ArizonaShooting.org Member
ArizonaShooting.org Member
Posts: 1469
Joined: May 18th, 2018, 8:57 am
Reputation: 6

Re: Interesting new ammo technology

#12

Post by 338lapua »

Abbey wrote: November 30th, 2024, 12:24 pm I don't think this is "new" - Howie at UNAmmo picked up a surplus lot of Chesapeake "NiPac" ammo like this several years back. I still have a couple cases of 9mm. I only bought it because it was cheap (forget what I paid but Howie was selling for cheaper than standard S&B/Magtech range ammo at the time) and it's hot & runs good in subguns. It is noticeably lighter when carrying a full mag, and supposedly stronger (which doesn't matter much for standard pressure).

On the downside, the lighter cases get thrown a lot further, and they're not reloadable without a special die. I never looked into finding that die & testing & just treat the empties like other steel case ammo I pick up at the range.
The cases do not case gauge at all. You can not allow these in your roll sizers as they can damage them.
User avatar
omegaman
ArizonaShooting.org Member
ArizonaShooting.org Member
Posts: 376
Joined: May 14th, 2018, 3:51 pm
Reputation: 3

Re: Interesting new ammo technology

#13

Post by omegaman »

You can load the 9 on standard dyes. One plus to this ammo is you can pick it up your (brass) with a magnet.
User avatar
Abbey
ArizonaShooting.org Member
ArizonaShooting.org Member
Posts: 362
Joined: October 29th, 2018, 7:59 pm
Reputation: 5
Location: Phoenix

Re: Interesting new ammo technology

#14

Post by Abbey »

I just got the "special die" info from the now defunct Chesapeake ammo website. I had enough 9mm brass that I never tried reloading them on my Dillon dies. But big +1 on the magnet. I need to get one of those.
QuietM4
ArizonaShooting.org Member
ArizonaShooting.org Member
Posts: 2404
Joined: May 15th, 2018, 8:36 pm
Reputation: 12
Location: Tempe

Re: Interesting new ammo technology

#15

Post by QuietM4 »

Abbey wrote: November 30th, 2024, 12:24 pm I don't think this is "new" - Howie at UNAmmo picked up a surplus lot of Chesapeake "NiPac" ammo like this several years back. I still have a couple cases of 9mm. I only bought it because it was cheap (forget what I paid but Howie was selling for cheaper than standard S&B/Magtech range ammo at the time) and it's hot & runs good in subguns. It is noticeably lighter when carrying a full mag, and supposedly stronger (which doesn't matter much for standard pressure).

On the downside, the lighter cases get thrown a lot further, and they're not reloadable without a special die. I never looked into finding that die & testing & just treat the empties like other steel case ammo I pick up at the range.
There has been 1-2 companies trying to peddle this type of ammo every year ,for the past 10 years, at SHOT Show. They quickly go bankrupt/disappear, then someone else tries to resurrect it because they think they can do better...they are still trying. This "new technology" company will fail, just like all the rest have.
Post Reply