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Magma Engineering gone under?

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I hope someone is in touch with the owner of Magma Engineering, formerly of Queen Creek. I'd really like to know what the fate of that place is.

Just heard from someone that their webpage was gone and now simply said "farewell". I went to the website, and sure enough,...


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This now leaves only ACE (American Casting Equipment) in Commiefornia as the sole American automated casting manufacturer. And while that's better than nothing, their products are inferior to what Magma produced.

This is particularly distressing for me because a few months back, I bought out the former Laredo Bullets inventory of all their Magma equipment, with the intention of sometime here in the next year setting up operations under a new name and location, as well as converting over from the old school greasy wax lubed plain exposed lead (previous owner of Laredo never bothered changing with the technology) to the new standard poly-coated fully encapsulated colorized stuff folks use today. Although the machinery is functional and working, I was planning on having Magma refurbish the Mk6 models I have (about 30 years old now) to the most recent Mk8s. Unless someone buys Magma and returns it to operating status, I'll have to go a different route now.

Heck, I just got back from buying an 8 year old Magma Master Caster in Simi Valley Sunday. I guess the value of these machines all just went up.

Magma has been struggling to meet orders since the pandemic started. All their machines on hand sold out by late April of 2020, and Magma started informing potential customers that until supply chain issues could be conquered, they were at least a year out from delivering their machines. That never changed. What few employees Magma had apparently went and found new opportunities. In recent months, customers trying to reach someone on the phone at Magma, if they got hold of anyone at all, usually got hold of the owner himself, who it seems may have been running the entire operation single-handed for quite some time, and mentioned to several callers that he was having trouble finding replacement employees since they are all CNC-trained techs now and few folks run machines manually anymore.

I hope someone steps in and gets Magma up and running again. This impacts most of the affordable reloading projectile manufacturers. It won't affect manufacturers of JACKETED bullets like Hornady, Sierra, Winchester, Remington, RMR, Montana Gold, Zero, etc. But many many shops exclusively use Magma machines, like Missouri Bullet Company, ACME, SNS Casting, Blue Bullets, Brazos Bullet Company, Hoosier Bullets, Meister Bullets, and dozens of others.

Ultimately, this might well delay my plans, since although I received 50 sets of molds, there are plenty of newer designs I wanted to add to the retinue.


Grrrrr,...frustrating, and depressing. Magma has a long history of making the best products in the markets.

Yo,...Dillon. Maybe jump on this as a new division to add your brand?! They already use blue as their company color!

Here's a short little video of 2 of Hoosier Bullets' Magma Mk6 Bullet Masters in operation.


Here's a screen grab photo from Magma's webpage back in 2012, showing what the Bullet Master sold for back then. Just before the pandemic, the price had increased to $14,500, and most of us were expecting when Magma finally returned to regular production soon, the new price would likely be closer to $16,500.
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And here's one bank of Magma Bullet Masters inside SNS Casting's shop. (If you order cast bullets via Dillon Precision, they come from SNS.)
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I realize this likely doesn't bother many of you who shoot jacketed bullets exclusively. But even if so, it's sad to see this happen to an Arizona icon of the gun industry. Back when Meister Bullets was located here in the 80's, I spent part of a summer working for them tending a trio of automated Master Casters.


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I own a few of their rimless sizers and master casters, they have been running for years. You could get someone to make new dies for you or possibly possibly cut the lube groove out of the molds.

I haven't loaded a lead bullet in over 30 years now and am not going back unless forced to if jacketed bullets go away. Then I will use my master casters and just make plated bullets.

I think his company is a example of under capitalized and not keeping up with the times. Shame they are gone for those who still use lead bullets. I started shooting lead bullets.

As for Dillon stepping up they have had automation for how long now and still do not have a case processor or a loader on their show floor so I doubt they would be a candidate for taking this on. Still waiting for a couple things their engineer told me about to see the light of day.

Labor pools are changing from skilled workers to useless ones. Owning machine shops for a long time I saw the writing on the wall and sold out in 2018 as it was near impossible to find skilled labor that actually worked.
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Hey there, I was sad to hear about Magma as well. I talked to them quite a bit buying molds and parts.

That said. I have a Magma Bullet Master Mk 5 and a Magma Lube Master Mk 4 for sale. 5 or more sets of molds (40+) and 1,000 lbs of clean lead/ Lineotype for sale. Anyone interested?
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Well, I suppose an update is in order;....


Eric Clausen, the now former owner of Magma, decided it was time to retire and go fishing. Obviously, the difficulties from the supply chains disruptions from the Covid crap had a lot to do with it. But so did how much their property was worth there in Queen Creek. When they first bought the land and built their building in 1969, they were surrounded by cows and tumbleweeds. Now,...they're smack dab in the middle of highly valued shopping and residential area where property values are skyrocketing. They probably paid MAYBE $25,000 for the place back then. But now lot is rezoned as prime retail and worth over $1,000,000 dollars. Not a bad chunk of change to retire on.

But as 338Lapua described, the labor pool has changed a lot as well. I'll post some pictures here from inside Magma before the auction. But as you will see,...all their machining was done MANUALLY and old school,...requiring machinists skilled in using that type of gear. The successful durability of Magma machines is in part their undoing. Because they last so long and not that many are sold as in years before,...economy of scale prevents the parts being manufactured/machined via CNC processes. The automation of aerospace machining over the last 30 years has produced great efficiency for mass production here. And the cheap foreign labor in China, India, Mexico and elsewhere has seen the master prototype machinist (old school manual machining) become an obsolete vocation here except in niche jobs. None of the vocational schools here have taught manual machining as a skill (merely an introduction to programing CNC) for quite some time. If you want something prototyped today and made as a one-off proof of concept, or a small batch of experimental items, you sketch it out in CAD and send the file to an overseas sweatshop who cranks it out and ships it. So all of today's young bucks know how to CAD and/or program CNC. But making metal chips by hand on a lathe or mill? No dice. The few old timers who have that skill are able to command a premium wage now that they are scarce, not to mention years or decades of experience, which has it's own value and cost. Eric didn't need labor of THAT level. The level of skill you used to find in a manual machinist just out of school is all he needed,...and all he has ever really paid for. Mix that with how the imbalance in wages to cost of living (across all sectors) since the pandemic began,...and there just ain't no one willing to work for peanuts to carve jems.

Totally separate from that problem, the entire globalization economy has been flipped on it's head during that same period. If you happen to watch any of the videos of geopolitical strategist Peter Zeihan on YouTube, you know that China's economy, population and manufacturing capacity has been imploding and will soon collapse spectacularly. Thus, anyone with half a brain cell who has/had been sourcing stuff from China has been moving everything to Mexico, which is now cheaper and has better skilled labor. This has become a WAVE of industrial investment in Mexico, motivating even many still previously operating in the U.S. who were contemplating outsourcing to now pull the trigger, since borrowing capital is going up and will never be cheaper again. Thus, Wattco, who previously supplied the heating elements in all of Magma's machines, has moved there to cash in on the general manufacturing shift replacement of everything from China to Mexico. As a result, Wattco now has lots of new orders and business that they can service, which has left them relatively unmotivated apparently to continue stocking the old products Magma was looking for. That's but one example of Eric's supply problems he was facing, but there were others.

I attended the auction for Magma's machinery and remaining stock of parts on hand, very few though they were. I bought their remaining bullet sizer dies for their LubeMaster and the old Star lubrisizers. If anyone needs a list of what remains of that inventory, message me and I'll let you know what I have.

Shortly after that, a buyer in Australia bought out Magma's name and intellectual property and patents. They are currently in the process of reviving Magma down under. They are not in production of full machines yet, but are turning out a limited number of parts commonly worn out and replaced. The good news is that the Aussie dollar is weak against the US dollar, with an exchange rate of .65, when means $.65 cents American buys you an Australian dollar. So sale price for machines (once they are available) should be less than they would be here. But,...the down side is the cost of shipping from halfway across the planet, so in the end, your net cost is likely to be the same.

However, when it comes to molds for Magma's machines, one of their former employees who made them broke away on his own a number of years ago under the name NEW WEST INDUSTRIES, and is literally just down the road a bit, turning out molds. https://nwesti.com/index.html He also is in the process of designing his own automated bullet casting machine to match the production rates of the old Magma BulletMasters, but has not released it yet. No doubt it will likely use the Magma-style molds when finally released.

And Crash79416, check your messages.

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Great people to deal with at Magma. I use their Casemaster Jr. for full resizing of bulged 9mm from open bolt sub-guns - works like a charm to this day after 15k + rounds through it.
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Sad to see American manufacturing skillsets dying...
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Suck My Glock wrote: November 23rd, 2024, 3:38 pm Well, I suppose an update is in order;....


Eric Clausen, the now former owner of Magma, decided it was time to retire and go fishing. Obviously, the difficulties from the supply chains disruptions from the Covid crap had a lot to do with it. But so did how much their property was worth there in Queen Creek. When they first bought the land and built their building in 1969, they were surrounded by cows and tumbleweeds. Now,...they're smack dab in the middle of highly valued shopping and residential area where property values are skyrocketing. They probably paid MAYBE $25,000 for the place back then. But now lot is rezoned as prime retail and worth over $1,000,000 dollars. Not a bad chunk of change to retire on.

But as 338Lapua described, the labor pool has changed a lot as well. I'll post some pictures here from inside Magma before the auction. But as you will see,...all their machining was done MANUALLY and old school,...requiring machinists skilled in using that type of gear. The successful durability of Magma machines is in part their undoing. Because they last so long and not that many are sold as in years before,...economy of scale prevents the parts being manufactured/machined via CNC processes. The automation of aerospace machining over the last 30 years has produced great efficiency for mass production here. And the cheap foreign labor in China, India, Mexico and elsewhere has seen the master prototype machinist (old school manual machining) become an obsolete vocation here except in niche jobs. None of the vocational schools here have taught manual machining as a skill (merely an introduction to programing CNC) for quite some time. If you want something prototyped today and made as a one-off proof of concept, or a small batch of experimental items, you sketch it out in CAD and send the file to an overseas sweatshop who cranks it out and ships it. So all of today's young bucks know how to CAD and/or program CNC. But making metal chips by hand on a lathe or mill? No dice. The few old timers who have that skill are able to command a premium wage now that they are scarce, not to mention years or decades of experience, which has it's own value and cost. Eric didn't need labor of THAT level. The level of skill you used to find in a manual machinist just out of school is all he needed,...and all he has ever really paid for. Mix that with how the imbalance in wages to cost of living (across all sectors) since the pandemic began,...and there just ain't no one willing to work for peanuts to carve jems.

Totally separate from that problem, the entire globalization economy has been flipped on it's head during that same period. If you happen to watch any of the videos of geopolitical strategist Peter Zeihan on YouTube, you know that China's economy, population and manufacturing capacity has been imploding and will soon collapse spectacularly. Thus, anyone with half a brain cell who has/had been sourcing stuff from China has been moving everything to Mexico, which is now cheaper and has better skilled labor. This has become a WAVE of industrial investment in Mexico, motivating even many still previously operating in the U.S. who were contemplating outsourcing to now pull the trigger, since borrowing capital is going up and will never be cheaper again. Thus, Wattco, who previously supplied the heating elements in all of Magma's machines, has moved there to cash in on the general manufacturing shift replacement of everything from China to Mexico. As a result, Wattco now has lots of new orders and business that they can service, which has left them relatively unmotivated apparently to continue stocking the old products Magma was looking for. That's but one example of Eric's supply problems he was facing, but there were others.

I attended the auction for Magma's machinery and remaining stock of parts on hand, very few though they were. I bought their remaining bullet sizer dies for their LubeMaster and the old Star lubrisizers. If anyone needs a list of what remains of that inventory, message me and I'll let you know what I have.

Shortly after that, a buyer in Australia bought out Magma's name and intellectual property and patents. They are currently in the process of reviving Magma down under. They are not in production of full machines yet, but are turning out a limited number of parts commonly worn out and replaced. The good news is that the Aussie dollar is weak against the US dollar, with an exchange rate of .65, when means $.65 cents American buys you an Australian dollar. So sale price for machines (once they are available) should be less than they would be here. But,...the down side is the cost of shipping from halfway across the planet, so in the end, your net cost is likely to be the same.

However, when it comes to molds for Magma's machines, one of their former employees who made them broke away on his own a number of years ago under the name NEW WEST INDUSTRIES, and is literally just down the road a bit, turning out molds. https://nwesti.com/index.html He also is in the process of designing his own automated bullet casting machine to match the production rates of the old Magma BulletMasters, but has not released it yet. No doubt it will likely use the Magma-style molds when finally released.

And Crash79416, check your messages.


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Just like those who fix the issues of Dillon machines someone will make parts for their machines, looks like someone has already figured it out. Hopefully they use the original plans and support the old clients instead of dumping them like when Ammobot sold out.
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