Another Derivative Pistol Brace Scenario
- BigNate
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Another Derivative Pistol Brace Scenario
So - hypothetically - if someone owns a complete lower with a pistol brace, that was purchased as a:
"COMPLETE MOE EPT PISTOL LOWER WITH SB TACTICAL PDW PISTOL BRACE"
... but the lower has no upper / barrel attached... would that person be in violation of the current rule for having such an item in their possession?
What if the brace is removed from the buffer tube?
"COMPLETE MOE EPT PISTOL LOWER WITH SB TACTICAL PDW PISTOL BRACE"
... but the lower has no upper / barrel attached... would that person be in violation of the current rule for having such an item in their possession?
What if the brace is removed from the buffer tube?
Last edited by BigNate on February 17th, 2023, 1:12 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: Another Derivative Pistol Brace Scenario
Does "your friend" have a barrel that is less than 16"?
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Re: Another Derivative Pistol Brace Scenario
I certainly would make sure your "friend" doesn't also have a spare short barreled upper laying around..."constructive intent" is a fun phrase the ATF likes to use.
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Re: Another Derivative Pistol Brace Scenario
Or.. ( I assume this is an AR lower) he would b OK if he had a registered SBR or a registered MG.XJThrottle wrote: ↑February 16th, 2023, 3:46 pm Does "your friend" have a barrel that is less than 16"?
Take off the brace and have your wife/significant other/friend lock it in a safe that you do not have the combination. Your good.
Constructive possession is a winding road. Many folks who had braced pistol AR's, had rifles with a vertical fore grip. So, a braced AR with less than a 16" barrel (and 26" overall) and an AR rifle, with a vertical fore grip in the same place/safe, was constructive possession.
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Re: Another Derivative Pistol Brace Scenario
Has ATF ever charged anyone under that premise?delta6 wrote: ↑February 16th, 2023, 5:58 pmXJThrottle wrote: ↑February 16th, 2023, 3:46 pm Does "your friend" have a barrel that is less than 16"?
Constructive possession is a winding road. Many folks who had braced pistol AR's, had rifles with a vertical fore grip. So, a braced AR with less than a 16" barrel (and 26" overall) and an AR rifle, with a vertical fore grip in the same place/safe, was constructive possession.
I've always understood that if the number of pistol lowers and uppers in your possession were equal you were OK. Having extra rifle barrels or lowers not an issue. Now if you are putting them together as an unregistered SBR and posting that on the internet all bets were off.
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Re: Another Derivative Pistol Brace Scenario
Charged? Hard to say. Could have been charged and after spending a lot of money case was dropped by the BAT folks, but other than that, I have never read about anyone being charged, other than one. As I recall, it was someone selling some "Constructive" parts to a federal agent.Winmagbill wrote: ↑February 16th, 2023, 7:16 pmHas ATF ever charged anyone under that premise?delta6 wrote: ↑February 16th, 2023, 5:58 pmConstructive possession is a winding road. Many folks who had braced pistol AR's, had rifles with a vertical fore grip. So, a braced AR with less than a 16" barrel (and 26" overall) and an AR rifle, with a vertical fore grip in the same place/safe, was constructive possession.XJThrottle wrote: ↑February 16th, 2023, 3:46 pm Does "your friend" have a barrel that is less than 16"?
I've always understood that if the number of pistol lowers and uppers in your possession were equal you were OK. Having extra rifle barrels or lowers not an issue. Now if you are putting them together as an unregistered SBR and posting that on the internet all bets were off.
As I inferred above, 50-80% of "gunnies" are in some type of "Constructive" senario. Many years ago (I am a SOT) I registered a SBR, even though I had MG's. There was always the chance of having one part, next to another part that the BAT folks could construe as "Constructive".
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Re: Another Derivative Pistol Brace Scenario
Not sure - they may have one inbound. If they do - they'll probably put a spare upper with a 16" barrel on that lower - and I'll encourage them to store the short barrelled upper somewhere else.XJThrottle wrote: ↑February 16th, 2023, 3:46 pm Does "your friend" have a barrel that is less than 16"?
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Re: Another Derivative Pistol Brace Scenario
I had a friend like that and I think that is what he did.BigNate wrote: ↑February 17th, 2023, 12:44 pmNot sure - they may have one inbound. If they do - they'll probably put a spare upper with a 16" barrel on that lower - and I'll encourage them to store the short barrelled upper somewhere else.XJThrottle wrote: ↑February 16th, 2023, 3:46 pm Does "your friend" have a barrel that is less than 16"?
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Re: Another Derivative Pistol Brace Scenario
thats a fairy tail. dont spread bullshit. cite a single case that has ever charged constructive intent or possession. just one. doesnt even have to be a winner.
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Re: Another Derivative Pistol Brace Scenario
That's not going to age well.
One was just posted here recently.
Like the gun free school zone bullshit, it is usually an add on charge when the charge someone with other stuff. You probably can't find it as a stand alone charge I dont think. Anyways it was just posted recently here on this forum.
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