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Waiting for the outcome of the ATF ruling on pistol braces. Don't know which way it my go. Should it be better to SBR it or if it does the way of the dodo do paperwork now and beat the RUSH of paperwork.

You will be called a traitor for giving your info to the man for god given right...

I have a few SBRs.

Carry on....

Without the brace it is just a pistol.

I know everyone is expecting the ATF to make braces illegal, but they will be mired in lawsuits about it for years. The ATF cannot change legislative definitions on a whim...someone is going to finally prove them wrong in court...although no one has yet.

Also, with the millions of braces on the market it will be impossible for them to get them back (there are so many more braces than bump stocks). They are going to have to grandfather them in or create some type of amnesty registration. I know that is a logical expectation, and that doesn't work with the ATF, but no one really knows for sure yet.

QuietM4 wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 11:18 pm I know everyone is expecting the ATF to make braces illegal, but they will be mired in lawsuits about it for years. The ATF cannot change legislative definitions on a whim...someone is going to finally prove them wrong in court...although no one has yet.

Also, with the millions of braces on the market it will be impossible for them to get them back (there are so many more braces than bump stocks). They are going to have to grandfather them in or create some type of amnesty registration. I know that is a logical expectation, and that doesn't work with the ATF, but no one really knows for sure yet.

If the new policy goes though, I very much doubt they are going to grandfather anything or allow any amnesty registration. They are going to be mired in lawsuits, and of particular importance is whether a judge will put a stay or injunction on the new policy until the lawsuits can progress given the vast disruption this change would cause. However, I can almost guarantee that ATF will absolutely not grandfather anything brace-related or allow amnesty registration. They will simply say "modify the firearm so it adheres".

First rule of fight club….


It’s a simple rule yet so many fail to comply.

Ymmv.

I was talking with my dealer the other day and he brought up an interesting point that they may make us register them as an AOW and only have a $5 tax stamp. Be interesting for sure. I hope it all flops but if we are required to file paperwork, $5 is a whole lot better than $200.

QuietM4 wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 11:18 pm I know everyone is expecting the ATF to make braces illegal, but they will be mired in lawsuits about it for years. The ATF cannot change legislative definitions on a whim...someone is going to finally prove them wrong in court...although no one has yet.

Also, with the millions of braces on the market it will be impossible for them to get them back (there are so many more braces than bump stocks). They are going to have to grandfather them in or create some type of amnesty registration. I know that is a logical expectation, and that doesn't work with the ATF, but no one really knows for sure yet.

They just did this with F1 suppressors.

This is going to be an issue decided in the courts, unfortunately. Yes, the ATF has been allowed to make s*** up as they go along, we all know that. The bump stock court battle is still going on, and I’m sure any ruling on braces will follow the same path. Unfortunately, the ATF has been allowed by multiple judges to drop cases as soon as they think they are going to lose and set a legal ruling, e.g. AR lowers are not technically firearms per legal definition. At some point, hopefully sooner than later, a court will side with us…hopefully it’s SCOTUS and we can end all this idiotic “rule” making once and for all.

The ATF may call them “rulings”, but they are just opinions that can be challenged in court.

I guess I'll just wait to see what happens. Thank you all for your input.

The BATFE is a rogue agency.

Rock Hardson wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2022, 10:55 am The BATFE is a rogue agency.

THIS x 1000