Phoenix PD unintentional discharge...CZ?

[pneuby]

I was recently informed of this one, which I'd somehow missed......

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/phoen ... l-shooting

My source was a current academy cadet claiming the info came via the instructor/s there. He said the pistol was a CZ, (assuming P10 striker-fired series). All 30-such pistols carried had to be inspected for function of the firing-pin/striker safety. ALL failed...supposedly.

Does anyone have any contact or exchange with person/s truly in-the-know over there?
What I am surmising is that the culprit/s is actually the Sig 320.

Thanks for anything you may be able to add.

[kenpoprofessor]

Glock or Sig, I've never seen a cop carrying a CZ, much less a P10. I have one, and the striker works as intended so far. It's why I don't listen to people who tell me they know about guns because they were trained by police or military until they prove they were well trained.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

[hrob]

"What I am surmising is that the culprit/s is actually the Sig 320."

I'm surmising the culprit is negligent/unsafe gun handling.

[YNOTAZ]

I think Phoenix police reported it correctly "Phoenix police officer accidently fired his gun".. SIG, Glock, CZ, or 1911, makes no difference. I couldn't say it any better than Hynes:

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/phoen ... l-shooting

[QuietM4]

A large portion of the poorly trained, unknowledgeable people I encounter discussing firearms usually throw in, "I was a police officer" or "I was in the Military" somewhere along the conversation. Hardly any of them would know the difference between a CZ P10, Glock 19, or a P320 from a distance of 3 feet. If you shoot your firearm at the range more than 3 times per year, you are most likely more proficient with a firearm that the majority of police officers.

[blasternaz]

" If you shoot your firearm at the range more than 3 times per year, you are most likely more proficient with a firearm that the majority of police officers."

This is exactly the intent behind my monthly matches! Come and maintain competency!

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[kenpoprofessor]

" If you shoot your firearm at the range more than 3 times per year, you are most likely more proficient with a firearm that the majority of police officers."

This is exactly the intent behind my monthly matches! Come and maintain competency!

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Matches don't make anyone "more safe" than any other jackass with a gun. The truest way to thoroughly engrain the procedural memory of safety is to teach it to others regularly. I do so all the time, and by always covering safety rules every time while someone you're teaching is near you with a loaded firearm is quite the motivator to ensure you're doing it well.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

[blasternaz]

Clyde, I don't recall you ever being at any of the matches we have run in the last 45 years, so how you know what our safety lectures are like? Or our new shooter meetings? Or our RSO training? Keep kickin' and we'll keep shootin'. Ciao

[kenpoprofessor]

Clyde, I don't recall you ever being at any of the matches we have run in the last 45 years, so how you know what our safety lectures are like? Or our new shooter meetings? Or our RSO training? Keep kickin' and we'll keep shootin'. Ciao

You're absolutely correct, I haven't been to any of them. That being said, that's what YOUR group does, that doesn't apply to the hundreds of others. So, though it may not apply to you using your "girl logic", it does for the vast majority. Simply shooting matches does not make you any safer, it may only make you a better shooter. Do you also teach mindset, weapon retention, how to disable a firearm in the heat of combat, best or preferred method of carry, teaching new shooters to conceal, draw, and presentation?

And I'll keep shootin', and trainin' thank you.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

[blasternaz]

Clyde, we did, way back in mid to late '70's, before the NRA used our syllabus to codify the Personal Protection program. That morphed into the state CCW course, the old 16 hour one. Since we "moved on" (supposedly) to not "needing" so much "training", we dropped out of training. Still teach on individual basis' and as a matter of "corrections" during my matches. Can't say what other "matches" practice, other then safety, but my monthly maintenance session stresses real world uses, rather then gamer stages. We don't "teach" but we do offer lots of helpful hints, based on the shooter's level. Most of us are well past our prime. Damn few are able to run an' gun, but we still shoot, and do so safely. That is what I want my people to be able to do. 'Nuff said, ciao.

[pneuby]

WELL, Okay then......

It's alleged that said officer's pistol was DROPPED, and malfunctioned leading to a discharge.
Not a 'finger-on-the-trigger' incident, supposedly.

Thus, my original query as to whether any of you know anyone with inside - baseball knowledge.

Gracias'!

[smithers599]

WELL, Okay then......

It's alleged that said officer's pistol was DROPPED, and malfunctioned leading to a discharge.
Not a 'finger-on-the-trigger' incident, supposedly.

Thus, my original query as to whether any of you know anyone with inside - baseball knowledge.

Gracias'!

I asked a friend with inside-baseball access. He reports:
- It was a department-approved, but personally owned weapon.
- Cop said it fired when dropped, swears finger off the trigger. As a result, all cops who had that particular weapon have to stop using them and carry Glocks instead.
- Now PD will test that weapon to see if it actually fired when dropped, or if the cop actually had his finger on the trigger. In the interim, department approval for that make/model withdrawn.
- He does not know what make/model the gun was, but is going to try to find out.

I will check back if I learn more.

[YNOTAZ]

I'm curious. Since the Scottsdale officer was recently killed with a rifle dropped from a carrying case, I kind of wonder if the Phoenix PD statement went something like "on advice of my union rep, my pistol discharged when it was dropped".

Angle of entry would certainly confirm or disprove that. All conjecture here but, if it was a dropped pistol, you would think that would come out quickly for safety reasons and shedding responsibility. On the other hand, if it was negligence by the officer that reflects negatively on the officer and the department's training.

Having done LE training in the past I will agree with previous statements, if your firearms prowess is totally dependent on LE training, please partner with the other guy.

[pneuby]

Muchas Gracias, Senor Smithers......

[pneuby]

Just happened upon this video, and so...bumpin' up this one....


Smithers, were you able to glean anything more?