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smithers599 wrote: ↑January 30th, 2025, 11:54 am
You've probably heard by now that Staccato is making a new model that uses Glock magazines. I'm guessing they are trying to get into the police market.
That is interesting, hadn't seen this yet. No grip safety, better mags than typical overpriced 2011s, and one of the models even has a sight block. I'll have to check these out to see how I like the grip.
Staccato has been in the police market for a while now; plenty of Phoenix and Tempe PD officers carry them. The Glock mag is more of a marketing ploy to get more of the 'but duz it take Glock magz?' crowd. A 2011 magazine carries more rounds in the same length of magazine. To those who complain about magazine price; buying a $2,500 pistol and then complaining about a $90 magazine, is like buying a Ferrari and then complaining about how much premium gas costs. No LE department has the budget to provide a $2,000+ pistol to an officer...they are bought by individual officers at a 30% discount.
Yes, there are a lot of Glock magazines. Yes, they are cheap. No, they are not better than a Staccato magazine...they are different.
smithers599 wrote: ↑January 30th, 2025, 11:54 am
You've probably heard by now that Staccato is making a new model that uses Glock magazines. I'm guessing they are trying to get into the police market.
That is interesting, hadn't seen this yet. No grip safety, better mags than typical overpriced 2011s, and one of the models even has a sight block. I'll have to check these out to see how I like the grip.
Staccato has been in the police market for a while now; plenty of Phoenix and Tempe PD officers carry them. The Glock mag is more of a marketing ploy to get more of the 'but duz it take Glock magz?' crowd. A 2011 magazine carries more rounds in the same length of magazine. To those who complain about magazine price; buying a $2,500 pistol and then complaining about a $90 magazine, is like buying a Ferrari and then complaining about how much premium gas costs. No LE department has the budget to provide a $2,000+ pistol to an officer...they are bought by individual officers at a 30% discount.
Yes, there are a lot of Glock magazines. Yes, they are cheap. No, they are not better than a Staccato magazine...they are different.
M4 is spot on with this. The only thing I would argue is that,...for some departments,...the issue of magazine intercompatibility. When all your officers carry the same pistol,...if need be, they can share spare magazines in a shooting if it should come to that. How often does that happen? Is it often enough or likely enough to even be concerned with? Well, if you are a department that determines it is a legitimate concern, but also a department that has previously allowed qualified officers to carry their personally supplied custom 1911s and 2011s,...you might be willing to make a new stipulation that all pistols must use the same magazine, allowing officers to choose their own option that complies with the policy. I think it is incredibly unlikely for a situation to benefit from such. And yet, the Hollywood bank robbery shootout in 1997 is an example where that would have been appreciated by the officers involved in that. Plenty of officers ran dry on their personal ammo, and some carried Berettas, while some carried S&W autos and others still had revolvers. At least a couple of those officers had their butts hanging in the breeze because other officers couldn't hand them a compatible spare mag to allow them to defend themselves. Has anything like that happened anywhere since? I don't know. I can't think of one.
QuietM4 wrote: ↑January 30th, 2025, 11:35 pm
The problem with the LA bank robbery shoutout wasn’t that officers carried different types of pistols, it was they didn’t have RIFLES.
That was the PRIMARY problem, yes. But the mag compatibility issue was indeed a complication.
My problem with 2011 mags isn’t the price (although cheaper than $100 Atlas mags for reliability is nice) so much as the designs. Many 2011 mags have reliability issues and the design based on legacy .38 Super lengths dictates larger grip diameters that are a bit bigger than I prefer.
I’m sure I’ll buy one at some point but the mags/grip just aren’t quite there for me.
G34 wrote: ↑February 20th, 2024, 1:31 pm
Getting into the 2011s. Looking for other options besides staccato. Since it’s such an investment I know the hands on experience is limited.
Anyone have experience with the Vudoo priest, stealth arms platypus or the masterpiece arms hybrid ?
Thx
I bought a Gen 1 Stealth Arms Platypus for my wife and would not put it in the same class as a Staccato. The Platypus isn't a 2011 in that it is a 2 piece construction, aluminum lower and steel upper. I view it more as a custom double stack 9mm patterned after a 1911. The customization is why you would buy a Platypus. For a reasonable amount of money you can pick the pistol colors, length, slide style, barrel style, optics cut, ect. The best part is the gun is a great shooter. We picked the 3.5lb trigger in our commander length slide and it is an enjoyable gun to shoot. We run $10 KCI Glock mags in it and have never had a stoppage. I would buy another one and have been tempted with their Gen 2 grip texture, RMR slide cut and bull barrel options. That said, I am still looking for a 2011 to add to my collection. Wanting to shoot a Jacob Grey that my Co-work has.
I actually bought a platypus with the new prickle grip awhile back and honestly think it’s a POS. The optics cut was super loose. The fitment was ok, it’s actually kinda snappy. It just felt cheap to me and shot ok.
I grabbed a vudoo priest and so far I’m just stunned as it’s the tightest smoothest pistol I’ve ever felt.
After I held and fired a Platypus, I was very disappointed. I’ve shot Rock River pistols that had better fit and finish. I’d buy a Tisas 2011 before I’d buy a Platypus.
