Thoughts on AR pistols

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Re: Thoughts on AR pistols

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laserguy wrote: May 7th, 2020, 3:36 pm For CQB I prefer a pistol, you can clear corners easier and get into strange positions if needed. An AR is a very quick handling weapon that has an amazing amount of versatility as it was designed for the military, that is why they are massively popular.
At one time it was only a 556 novelty. Now they come in all flavors.


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AZ1182 wrote: May 7th, 2020, 4:04 pm If you can't get into a strange position with a 16, then you won't be able to with a 10.5 either.
Ya, I should have been clear when I said pistol....I meant a real pistol (glock, 1911, revolver, etc), not an AR pistol, which is only a "pistol" by a technicality if you have an "arm rest" on it
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laserguy wrote: May 7th, 2020, 5:00 pm
AZ1182 wrote: May 7th, 2020, 4:04 pm If you can't get into a strange position with a 16, then you won't be able to with a 10.5 either.
Ya, I should have been clear when I said pistol....I meant a real pistol (glock, 1911, revolver, etc), not an AR pistol, which is only a "pistol" by a technicality if you have an "arm rest" on it
Ok. So I want to understand better. Are you saying its only a pistol if it has a arm brace?
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Elk34 wrote: May 7th, 2020, 5:03 pm
laserguy wrote: May 7th, 2020, 5:00 pm
AZ1182 wrote: May 7th, 2020, 4:04 pm If you can't get into a strange position with a 16, then you won't be able to with a 10.5 either.
Ya, I should have been clear when I said pistol....I meant a real pistol (glock, 1911, revolver, etc), not an AR pistol, which is only a "pistol" by a technicality if you have an "arm rest" on it
Ok. So I want to understand better. Are you saying its only a pistol if it has a arm brace?
Arm rest. ???
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He’s saying it’s a pistol by technicality not by usefulness as a handgun I think
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jes3se wrote: May 7th, 2020, 6:13 pm He’s saying it’s a pistol by technicality not by usefulness as a handgun I think
I'm just checking. It sounds like he's saying it's a pistol because it has a (arm rest) on it. If that is what he thinks. Please someone tell him the right thing
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Elk34 wrote: May 7th, 2020, 6:18 pm
jes3se wrote: May 7th, 2020, 6:13 pm He’s saying it’s a pistol by technicality not by usefulness as a handgun I think
I'm just checking. It sounds like he's saying it's a pistol because it has a (arm rest) on it. If that is what he thinks. Please someone tell him the right thing
That is not what I am saying.

My personal opinion is that the wave of AR "pistols" with "arm rests" that have hit the market recently are only "pistols" due to a technicality in the law. The "arm rests" all look very much like a butt stock and if you were to blur a picture of an AR "pistol" with arm rest it would sure look like a picture of an SBR.

This in no way is an objection on my part to calling them pistols or in any way is saying that classification is wrong or that I feel it should be changed in any way.

I was simply saying in my original comment that for CQB I personally prefer a traditional pistol like a Glock, 1911, revolver etc to an AR Pistol. I believe the AR pistols handle very much like an AR rifle and not like a tradition pistol.

If your personal preference for CQB is an AR pistol or a full sized AR or a shotgun or calling in naval gun fire then I stand behind your right to freedom of choice when it comes to your own protection.

I in no way intended to offend or upset anyone on the subject of AR pistols and if I did I apologize.
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I'm seriously looking at one of these:

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I've got one of these pistols and it's a major kick in the butt to shoot.

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Pale Rider wrote: May 8th, 2020, 9:36 am I'm seriously looking at one of these:

I have been looking at those also.
The problem is the price.
I see them priced starting around $650 but they are always out of stock at that price.
Then you see them for $700 and up , in stock with no brace or sights.
The ones that come with the brace start around $800 and usually more by time you pay shipping and FFL fees.
Then you still have to buy a sight for them.
So by time you buy the gun , the brace and sights , you have a pretty good investment in them.
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I just wish they made a good PCC that took XD magazines... I didn't go down the glock road...
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Yea BT, that's why I haven't got one yet. Happens every time something new comes out that really looks good. Always out of stock at a decent price.
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Re: Thoughts on AR pistols

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laserguy wrote: May 8th, 2020, 8:16 am
Elk34 wrote: May 7th, 2020, 6:18 pm
jes3se wrote: May 7th, 2020, 6:13 pm He’s saying it’s a pistol by technicality not by usefulness as a handgun I think
I'm just checking. It sounds like he's saying it's a pistol because it has a (arm rest) on it. If that is what he thinks. Please someone tell him the right thing
That is not what I am saying.

My personal opinion is that the wave of AR "pistols" with "arm rests" that have hit the market recently are only "pistols" due to a technicality in the law. The "arm rests" all look very much like a butt stock and if you were to blur a picture of an AR "pistol" with arm rest it would sure look like a picture of an SBR.

This in no way is an objection on my part to calling them pistols or in any way is saying that classification is wrong or that I feel it should be changed in any way.

I was simply saying in my original comment that for CQB I personally prefer a traditional pistol like a Glock, 1911, revolver etc to an AR Pistol. I believe the AR pistols handle very much like an AR rifle and not like a tradition pistol.

If your personal preference for CQB is an AR pistol or a full sized AR or a shotgun or calling in naval gun fire then I stand behind your right to freedom of choice when it comes to your own protection.

I in no way intended to offend or upset anyone on the subject of AR pistols and if I did I apologize.
You didn't offend anyone.
It was the way you worded it. It sounded like it needed the arm rest to be a pistol . That's all. Now I understand where you were going . Yes , never , I mean never apologize to TROLLS and people who think they know but they don't.
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Re: Thoughts on AR pistols

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I love how handy they are,...but rifle cartridges,...to be effective,...need rifle-length barrels.

So in 5.56 or 7.62NATO,...nope, I'll stick to a 16 inch barrel thanks.

However, things totally change when you start looking at cartridges that get full burn and performance in SMG-length barrels such as 10 inches or less. .300Blackout does not impress me in a regular carbine where 7.62x39 or 6.5Grendel or 5.56 can out perform it. But when it does what it does in a PDW envelope with a mere 9 inch barrel;....you have my attention.

I built myself a CMMG Banshee last year in 9mm with a 5 inch barrel. While not on par with a carbine,...it is indeed a better tool for distances beyond 50 yards than my Glock19. It fits in a covert carry case that doesn't scream GUN!! Its easy to shoot. Easy to feed. And new shooters love it! It's also more intimidating for gaining compliance from people I'd rather not shoot if avoidable.

I'm pretty happy with the Banshee and not sure I'll ever acquire a .300Blackout weapon. But if I do, it will defenitely be as a pistol and NOT as a carbine.
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Suck My Glock wrote: May 8th, 2020, 10:01 pm I love how handy they are,...but rifle cartridges,...to be effective,...need rifle-length barrels.

So in 5.56 or 7.62NATO,...nope, I'll stick to a 16 inch barrel thanks.
Depends on what you deem "effective". I don't care how much of a full burn a 5.56 gets from a 10.5" or a 7.62 gets from a 12.5" barrel...I still wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of either.
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